PQ13

Class Responses and Instructor Comments

>From MILDRED FERENTINO:

"Is then all that is just pious? Or is all that is pious just, but not all that is just pious, but some of it is and some is not?"

>rm says: Yes. What does this mean?

>From Avrohom:

The question is which one is overruling? piety over justice or justice over piety? which one is included in the other? is piety a part of justice or the other way around? or are they not related and seperate of each other?

>rm says: They agree on which one is included in the other, but Socrates tries to refine the relation. Be specific.

>From nr:

socrates asks whether or not all that is just considered piety or is all that is pious considered just. this relates to whether or not forms piety causes the forms of justice or if forms or justice causes forms of piety.As Avrohom stated: which is included in the other? which causes the other? they agree that piety is a part of the greater notion of justice and piety is that part of justice that attends to the gods whereas there is another part of justice which attends to just men.

>rm says: But this is about inclusion, over causation. And they agree that all the pious is just. The question is whether there is more to justice than piety.

Plato Reading Guide 13. What question does Socrates ask about the relation between piety and justice? (11e-12a)		Back to Plato Reading Guide Back to Philosophy 101 Home Next Question
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